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Adam Neve, i.e. "Adam and Eve," was an occasional poster to the Washburn family law list, not the most offensive FR-type, but not particularly bright, and rather anti-woman in his attitudes. One day, while waiting for a program to compile and doing the computer geek equivalent of thumb twiddling, Nick had a fleeting curiosity about who "Adam and Eve" was, given the cutesy and implicitly political email moniker. So he traced the account ownership. Lo and behold, it was none other that Scholar Hirczy, ranting as if he were just ordinary Joe Misogynist!!

Nick publicly posted the results of his trace on the listserve under the Subject Heading: Adamneve is Wolfgang Hirczy.

In response to his gameplaying having been discovered, Wolfgang Hirczy wrote the following post, still pretending that "adamneve" was altogether someone else. The response strikes me as not terribly unlike the ravings of a lunatic, and of particular distasteful note, instead of just laughing and fessing up, Hirzcy very weirdly went ballistic with insults, made remarks bordering on libel (after all, we had done not a thing wrong in outing a pretender --that's the nice word for liar) and chose to threaten Nick and me with frivolous legal harassment.

 Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:08:21 -0500
From: "Dr. Wolfgang Hirczy de Mino" <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <>
Subject: Re: Adamneve is Wolfgang Hirczy


To: liz's nick:

I guess you guys ran out of people to take aim at over the weekend, and Adam and Wolf were the only listees left up for target practice. So there we go: Saturday Night Special - Two for one.

I will allow that I am stunned by your outrageous conduct, impudence, and reckless disregard of norms of decent behavior.  (I thought that as a software engineer you were a pretty intelligent bloke; and your early posts painted the picture of a reasonable person. Should you have suffered a temporary lapse in judgement?).

liz was smart enough to conceal her identity and whereabouts from the beginning.  That allows a cyber mirage such as her the engage in the vilest form of flaming and character assassination; not only to impugn people's motives, but to defame them as well, in a calculated campaign to ruin their personal and/or professional reputations - all with apparent impunity.  I reckon liz would long have been disbarred for conduct unbecoming a member of the Bar and an officer of the court (if not on more serious grounds), if only her identity were not shrouded in mystery and her posts could be traced to her law office.

But at least we know who you are, Nick Seidenman, and where you can be served with process.  If in fact you legally married liz, there is a public record, and it can be found too.  So liz can be joined in the action later.

You know, when you first came onto this list you seemed to be a nice guy, Nick, but along with your self-inflicted transmogrification into the lower-case 'nick' your demeanor has decidedly deteriorated as well.  This kind of conduct is unacceptable and unlawful. It is high time to put an end to it and hold you and her accountable.  If it is impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you actually sat at the keyboard and committed these actionable acts, I am confident that in your capacity as named account holder with access and actual control of the account (and the corresponding Internet email address), you can be vicariously held liable for this wrongful and injurious conduct.

Since you are not a lawyer I don't expect you to have professional liability insurance.  Even if you did, transgressions of this kind would probably not be covered.  At least your professional background and imputable earning capacity provides some assurance as to your ability to pay damages.


Dr Wolf

PS: I recommend you keep liz away from Bill and Greg. At an impressionable age, exposure to the rabid feminism emanating from liz may prove harmful and may complicate a young boy's later relationships with the other sex, esp. if he feels obliged to pay heed and respect out of a sense of loyalty for his dad.


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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:31:23 -0500
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <>
Subject: RE: Law and Pregnancy

"... married women have given blanket consent to have children by virtue of marriage (i.e. be a sexual partner and share their reproductive capacity with the man who has made a marital commitment)."  [playing anti-choice advocate]

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:32:55 -0500
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <>
Subject: Re: Law and Pregnancy

"... making 'blood' the basis of parenthood was the only way to collect child support in cases where women chose to bear children without first getting a guy to commit to marriage..." [playing political analyst]

Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:00:01 -0500
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <>
Subject: RE: Imputing income

[re alimony] "... he may be paying a lot more than the replacement cost of the services (housekeeping, cooking-if any, child care) in the wage economy.... He is supposed to continue to pay the price for a marriage that no longer exists."  [playing piggy -- women marry in order to obtain a tenured position as cook and maid]

Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 14:21:45 -0500
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <>
Subject: narcissism, egocentric thought, et cetera

"Are we back to ad-hominem???? Thought this was supposed to be a more professional lizt now. ? Porque haces eso, Liz? Ya nos aburrimos."  [playing the ostensible ethical high road]

Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:22:26 -0500
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <>
Subject: Question about 'letting' her do what she likes

"What if that's what makes the woman happy (not having to work and help support the family financially, and devote herself instead to child and home care?)"  [playing women's choice advocate]

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997
From: Adam Neve <>
Reply-To: familylaw-l@lawlib.WUACC.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <familylaw-l@lawlib.WUACC.EDU>

... The *correlation* has been shown; not the causation. The intact home itself may be partially an *outcome* of other influences. --liz

"Is there any evidentiary support for this contention? (i.e. are there any studies that compare same-sex to opposite-sex cojoint parenting, or even any studies examining the impact of same-sex parenting alone?"  [playing dumb]

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:11:56 -0600
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <familylaw-l@lawlib.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: All things considered

"In any event, what is it about this artificial distinction of sexual and nonsexual in regard to basic reproduction-linked biological functions? As if hormones had nothing to do with this..."  [playing sexologist]

"As if sexuality weren't somehing more basic than what the cortex makes possible. You might consider reviewing some basic human physiology, and perhaps even some of the readings of Freud...."  [playing nature theorist]

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:27:13 -0600
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <familylaw-l@lawlib.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Jungel bugle: Back to nature and up into the tree

The mother is getting berated for nursing her child but everyone must remember that this is the most natural and healthy thing for the infant. --Teresa

"Oh gosh. Another appeal to nature!!!. It's natural for monkey to jump around in trees too... and for humans to die at age 20, 30? without the benefit of civilization and modern technology."  [playing anti-nature theorist]

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:40:51 -0600
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <familylaw-l@lawlib.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: All things considered

...The mother's emotional state-of-mind is a primary factor in her ability to produce an adequate milk-supply... --Gerald Mineghino

"Sounds like blackmail to me. Buzz off buster, or else I'll starve your kid to death. In that scenario (rare though it be) perhaps the helpless infant should be taken away from the mother and given to the father..." [playing father's rights illogician]

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:41:28 -0600
From: Adam Neve <>
To: Multiple recipients of list <familylaw-l@lawlib.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jungel bugle: Back to nature and up into the tree

"A little community opprobium for non-breastfeeders (and positive recognition of breastfeeding Moms) may not be a bad thing."  [playing... anything at all to remove autonomy from women]

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