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Steven D. Imparl, Esq. blatherings on usenetTHE MEN-LAW LISTSERVES
Call for the Repeal of Women's Suffrage

These are relatively new listserves that were started in the summer of 1998 by men's rights newcomer-upstart Steven D. Imparl, Esq. of Chicago.

[Attorney Imparl's welcome message to the fully moderated list.]

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:02:37 EDT
From: SImparl@aol.com  
To: men-law@makelist.com
Subject: [men-law] Welcome to All Subscribers

Welcome to the Men's Rights Law Mailing List. For those of you who have subscribed, please feel free to begin sending messages for posting at any time. Please note the following:

1. Because this is a moderated mailing list, I will read all messages before I post them.

2. I reserve the right to reject any message at any time for any reason. I *may*--but need not--give an explanation for any rejections. Moreover, I reserve the right to reject any subscriber or to "unsubscribe" an existing subscriber at any time for any reason. (Note: I will not be arbitrary about this, but some behaviors I have seen on Usenet are simply not acceptable here, and can spoil a good mailing list for everyone.)

3. That being said, I want to encourage thoughtful, useful postings that will prompt some good discussion about legal issues related to men and their rights.

4. This is an anti-feminist mailing list. This means that feminism and its excesses are not going to be part of the discussion, except to the extent that discussion critiques feminist thought or offers improvement to existing law.  HOWEVER, please note that this list is *not* anti-woman. Messages degrading women, pornographic messages, or hate speech directed toward women will not be tolerated.  Anyone who submits such messages is subject to being "unsubscribed" from the list immediately and permanently.

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7. I have a full-time professional practice and am an author, and I have a life outside this mailing list and outside the online world.  Therefore, please be patient in waiting for messages to post.  I will be diligent in maintaining the list, but I cannot promise that messages will be posted within any specific time frame.

8. With a few, very rare exceptions, I do not work (or access America Online or the Internet) on Sundays. Sometimes I do not go online Saturdays either. Therefore, messages sent to the list late on Fridays or on Saturdays may take a little longer to be sent to all subscribers.

9. Again, no flaming, threats, profanity, or hate speech is tolerated on this list. Anyone who engages in such conduct is subject to being "unsubscribed" from the list immediately and permanently.

10. Finally, a bit about me, your friendly moderator.  (Despite all the seemingly stern language above, I really am a good guy.)  I am a lawyer in Chicago, Illinois U.S.A.  I am pro-male, pro-life, and pro-family.  I am a Christian and constituent of Promise Keepers.  I am especially interested in the following areas of law affecting men's rights:

-rights of fathers to custody of and time with their children; -rights of unwed fathers (although, I will admit, I believe we have to drastically reduce out-of-wedlock births and sex outside marriage); -rights of fathers to protect their unborn children from being aborted; -rights of men to equal rights in family court; -reform of our draconian monetary child support system; -abolition of the monetary child support bureaucracy;

among many other issues. These are some of my "biases"; they will come out in discussions eventually, so, as moderator of this list, I may as well be upfront with you about them from the outset.

In any event, welcome to the mailing list. I look forward to some very good exchange of ideas. My ultimate hope is that some targeted efforts for reform will emerge from conversations we have here. With all that said, let the discussion begin!

Warm regards,

Steven Imparl

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[Post by John Knight of Father's Manifesto calling for the repeal of the Nineteenth Amendment (women's right to vote.)]

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fathers' Manifesto <fathersmanifesto@yahoo.com>
To: jfj1998@state.net, men-law@makelist.com
Subject: [men-law] Re: FAS (fwd)

Jerry <jfj1998@state.net> wrote:
> Earl asks, "Are some mothers dangerous to children?"

> Yes ... when it comes to proven child abuse, contributing to sexual
> abuse of children, murdering our children, are doing most of the
> divorcing, and the greatest insult of all ... they're rewarded for it
> with free food, free Legal Aid, free medical, free shelter,
> tax-deductions, and billions in Child Support! The government
> actually pays mom's to do this.
>
> Are they really to blame for this? Is the government rewarding abuse to
> our children to force dad's to work multiple jobs to pay of the national
> debt? Or is it due to a media that caters to entitlement and ignores
> the working class ... blaming father's when numbers fail to prove their
> bias? Do not lose sight of Ted Turner's 1 billion dollar bribe to the
> U.N. so Jane could take the world stage to suggest our obese children are starving.
>
> "100% of the perpetrators of fetal alcohol syndrom are women".
>
> But are they really to blame for this, too? Who here wants to legislate
> a behavior in a free society? If alcohol kills kids, then ban alcohol
> ... which we know will never happen, just as it's legal to smoke, yet
> the government punishes smokers. We are in a government that promotes
> drinking, smoking, and gambling ... because if people don't get drunk,
> smoke, and gamble ... the lawmakers don't get paid. Same with dad's ...
> once those revenues do go down, it seems to be in most everyone's best
> interest to simply remove all father's from the home and make them work
> multiple jobs to stay out of jail just to fatten lawmakers paychecks
> (more tax revenue)! There's simply no incentive for the government to
> discontinue this.
>
> Telling mom's not to poison their unborn children is identical to the
> abortion debate ... it will never work. Besides, it's basically
> unconstitutional for men to make any effort to protect their unborn
> children, yet it IS constitutional for mom's to punish father's for up
> to 30 years after that child is born.
>
> Women control the vote, like they control birth rights, an insult to a
> child who is from a mother AND a father. Same with the concept of
> "family", or the wealth of custody, like the imbalanced gender
> population ...
"Equality" seems to mean what's hers is hers, and what's
> his is hers. The majority stockholders run this company, who are slowly
> bleeding nearly half the population to death.
>
> Jerry

Excellent points, Jerry!

We would not have most of this, plus we would not have Clinton now, if women didn't control the vote.

There is only one way for those who pay the majority, if not ALL, of federal taxes (men) to gain the right to vote how that money is spent:

Do you know of any short of repealing the Nineteenth Amendment that this can be done?

Sincerely,

John Knight

== Children deprived of biological fathers, including step-children, compared to children in two-parent families, are more likely to go to prison by 8 times, to commit suicide by 5 times, to have behavioral problems by 20 times, to become rapists by 20 times, to run away by 32 times, to abuse chemical substances by 10 times, to drop out of high school by 9 times, to be seriously abused by 33 times, to be fatally abused by 73 times, to be one tenth as likely to get A's in school, and to have a 44% higher mortality rate and a 72% lower standard of living. The doubled mortality rate of divorced and single parents makes feminism solely responsible for the premature deaths each year of more than than 300,000 American women and 700,000 American men (http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-diego/~manifesto/mortdiv.htm) READ "The Case For Father Custody", now on-line at http://www2.crosswinds.net/san-diego/~manifesto/cfc.doc or send $29.00 to Primrose Press, 2131 S. Primrose Avenue, Alhambra, Ca. 91803. Join the usenet forum http://www.dejanews.com/group/dejanews.members.soc-sci.jwknight.19th to discuss this issue!

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[Near-hysterical anti-N.O.W. post to this list and ACFC listserve.]

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:19:51 -0400
From: World-Wide Divorced Parents <dads@webjogger.net>
To: acfc-l@usa.net, men-law@makelist.com
Subject: [men-law] FEMINISTS TO TAKE TO STREETS!!!

We at World-Wide Divorced Parents would like to take this opportunity to warn parents that it appears this could be an exceedingly dangerous Halloween!!

EXCERPT FROM N.O.W. PRESS RELEASE (Dated Oct 22, 1998):

"On Halloween, NOW PACs will unmask D'Amato and other stealth candidates across the country by educating voters on the candidates' records. 'Our activists will be in the streets and knocking on doors to warn voters about the right-wing stealth candidates who are hiding their own records. If you want real change, then get out and vote for real feminists on November 3rd,' Ireland said."

As Ireland states in her Press Release, feminist activists will be taking to the streets and knocking on doors. Is there some hidden symbolic reason they chose Halloween? -- The night when witches, goblins, monsters and creatures abound? Is it part of the N.O.W. program to pervert and usurp this traditional holiday of treats and goodies for children?

There is no one as dangerous to children and families as are feminists!!!  As Erin Pizzey (founder of the first domestic violence shelter) has said: "Strauss, Gelles, Steinmetz in America and Senator Ann Cools in Canada warned the general public of the danger of this evil movement.  Family life has almost been destroyed as these women moved into positions of power in the justice system, social services, in the media - anywhere where they could pervert the course of justice to their cause."

On Halloween night World-Wide Divorced Parents will *not* be "unmasking stealth candidates," as Ireland says N.O.W. will be doing. We will be exposing candidates who are monsters and villains full-time... The supporters of the evil feminist anti-male, anti-family propaganda.

Willliam C. Wiegert, President
World-Wide Divorced Parents
P.O. Box 1907
Schenectady NY 12301

I'M A FATHER AND I VOTE!
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[Steven Imparl (a little slow on the uptake) announces this web page]

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:51:41 EST
From: SImparl@aol.com
To: men-law@egroups.com
Subject: [men-law] Our "Page" at the "liz" site: Harrassment or Compliment? You decide.

Dear MEN-LAW brothers,

We have now been "recognized" on the "liz" anti-men, anti-family hate site. See the following URL.

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/men-law.htm

I would appreciate your suggestions as to what you consider an appropriate response, if any.

Warm regards,

Steve Imparl

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